MovieMaker magazine spoke with Daniel and director Jason Lei Howden at the
Toronto International Film Festival (TIFF) back in September in promotion of
Guns Akimbo.
Your character is a bit of a troll and my friend who I
saw the movie with said that I’m a troll, because when I go to TIFF
parties I tend to make up fake identities and fun lies to mess with
people. So we’re very much alike.
DR: That’s probably a very good way of surviving a film festival.
I guess I’m a real life troll, but your character was hiding behind a keyboard.
DR: It’s interesting because he does say [in the
movie] that I’m “trolling the trolls.” Somebody asked me that question
last night at the Q&A and I’ve never really seen him that way. I saw
him as someone who just spends time in dark parts of the internet
looking for a fight. And then I realized… that is a troll, isn’t it?
What I just described. But a lot of it is in your perspective. I feel
like there’s a kind of noble trolling. Sometimes people troll people on
the internet, and it’s really funny and very good or inventive, when
somebody does a really clever tweet on somebody who needs to be taken
down. It’s based on your perspective of what you see as good and bad
trolling.
Jason—you have a VFX background, right?
Jason Lei Howden (JLH): Yeah, I do. I think it’s
good to know what you can do with the VFX and what should be done
practically. I try and approach stuff from a practical point of view
just because I like to have something tangible, and I try to avoid green
screens as much as possible. But we spit through it…
DR: You know, very few films I do now or have done
recently have a lot of time. Samara [Weaving] and I came out early and
had some time in rehearsal as we realized the kind of scale of what we
were doing. [We knew] that we’re just going to have to come in and make
our choices very firmly in the first or second take and just dive in. I
have to say, Samara—her gameness for just throwing herself into lots of
crazy action and prosthetics—she’s a real trooper.
You had such a great costume in Guns Akimbo, Dan.
DR: Best outfit I’ve ever worn. Getting to go to
work and just wearing boxer shorts, a dressing gown and fluffy slippers
is going to be hard to beat.
JLH: My wife Sarah was the costumer and those fluffy
slippers came from like halfway across the world because we couldn’t
find the right ones. I had this concept in my mind and she was like, “We
have to compromise, we can’t find Tiger slippers, they have to be like…
dragons.”
DR: I’m glad you held out.
I have pig slippers…?
DR: It wouldn’t be right for this movie.
You’re so picky!
JLH: It was also right for this character because he’s in an urban jungle… he’s got the tiger slippers.
Did you expect the response that you’ve received to Guns Akimbo?
DR: I mean… we’re the movie about a guy who has guns
bolted onto his hands. It’s not going to be for everyone, but it’s the
kind of thing where “I’d rather be nine people’s favorite thing than 100
people’s ninth favorite thing.” I feel like this movie will find an
audience of people that like really f—ing love it.
JLH: I feel like there’s different worlds of films. I
go to a lot of genre festivals, and people are wearing t-shirts from an
obscure movie about slugs made 30 years ago. They love it, and they buy
the merch and the rooms are filled with horror toys. And then there’s
people who just love Meryl Streep Oscar-winning movies. Not that it’s
wrong, but we’re not a Meryl Streep action movie.
I’d actually love to see Meryl Streep with two guns bolted to her hands.
DR: She’s in the festival, so maybe she’ll catch a screening and get in touch?
Speaking of guns for hands, did you go method and actually bolt them? How did they function on set?
DR: No. [laughs]. They were these really
well-designed props. We had several different versions of them. Most of
the time they were rubber or plastic, particularly because as soon as
you have actual real guns, everything has to slow down for safety. If we
were filming with them every time, this would have been a very long
shoot.
Did you play any pranks with them?
DR: On the first day of public filming I suddenly
became aware that I’m on the street holding guns. That’s a very weird
feeling I hadn’t actually thought through. So I was actually more trying
to hide them under my arms and not frighten random passer-bys.
JLH: I’ve got a weird relationship with guns. I love
action movies and video games, but I actually grew up as a country boy.
My room was the gun room. My dad had lines of guns. But if I see
someone with a real gun, I just instantly just feel 1,000 percent less
safe. Even if it’s a cop or security guard, I just don’t want to be
around them. I feel like there’s a place for them, and that place is not
around me.
This movie is obviously super hyper-violent, almost in a glamorous way.
DR: Would you see that part where everybody’s being
gunned down in the yard and think, “I would love to be in the
situation?” I don’t think most people would say that. I’m from England,
Samara is from Australia, and Jason is from New Zealand. When I first
read the script this didn’t occur to me. In recent months, I realized
that’s going to be a thing because it’s going to get released in
America. But I think I have a very different a relationship to guns in
cinema. I think society informs art more than art informs society. And
you can say it glamorizes violence because the film is beautifully shot,
but at the same time I don’t think that Miles’ journey through the film
is one of becoming great in any way. It’s actually one of having his
life ruined by the attachment to these guns. He get guns bolted to him
and then becomes locked in a war, becoming less and less of himself and
more like this violent animal.
Well, he does start out as a vegetarian, which is quite funny.
DR: All of that stuff is Jason.
JLH: Yeah, he’s pretty much me…
Are you a vegetarian?
DR: He’s a vegetarian who’s an incredibly sweet
pacifist who loves f—ing violent video games. The axis of these two
things, which is why I think he’s made an awesome film.
Why do you think people love shooter
video games? The vast majority aren’t necessarily the kind of people
who would ever want to kill anyone, or are violent…
JLH: Well, it’s that whole hunter instinct and
[that’s how we] essentially express it. We’ve hunted for a lot of our
natural history and I feel like there’s still some of that instinct and
humanity. And we get that out by watching sports, competitive stuff,
playing violent video games, watching movies, and then we can go and be
normal human beings. I feel like there is an element of that, and I
don’t think there’s anything necessarily wrong with that.
DR: Yeah, I’m definitely not of the mindset that
video games or movies, contribute to that. I think there’s a lot of
other things that can be dealt with before we get to film, or video
games’ relationship to these things. There’s also a really sad fact
about humanity that we enjoyed watching people suffer for most of our
history as a species. From gladiator games to the public executions. The
last hundred years has actually been us going, okay, maybe we should
like, rein it in a bit. And I don’t think it’s unreasonable to expect
that we can get better and want to watch that less. But I think it’s
definitely an unfortunate undercurrent for most of human history.
JLH: My theory is that being able to watch something
cathartically has helped us quell the blood-lust a little bit. And
maybe sports in a way as well.
DR: There’s a theory that the games in the Coliseum
was some form of catharsis because once you watch that happen, there was
no part in wanting to go out and do something like that. I watch this
movie and think, this is the worst f—ing day ever. I would not be
thinking this was cool if I was in it.
So what would you do if you woke up with these guns bolted to you?
DR: Oh man. That’s the thing. I don’t know what I
would do differently. I would try and run away for a long time before I
was ultimately confronted. I would probably do what happens in the film.
source:
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