Men's Journal interview - Daniel J Radcliffe Holland


Men's Journal interview

Men's Journal interview in promotion of Escape from Pretoria.

With it being based on a true story, what types of research did you do for this role to prepare? 
I dug into as much of the real-life story I could. The first starting point was Tim’s book [Inside Out: Escape from Pretoria Prison] and there are quite a few interviews with Tim online, so I watched a lot of those as well. I knew a decent amount about South Africa and the history of it all, I’ve spent some time there and grew up knowing about apartheid, the basics of it all. But it was fascinating just to read Tim’s book and sort of find out what the day-to-day existence of somebody who was trying to resist that and how someone went about doing that during that period of time. That was very interesting for me.

What was the biggest challenge for you during the shoot?
In terms of being on set, my biggest challenge physically was doing the scene where the guys used a broom handle and manage to unlock their cell from the inside. So for the scene, you get the broom handle and you have to unlock the cell lock that’s on the outside of the door while you’re inside the cell using a mirror to see it. It’s just incredibly difficult and for me, it was just this one thing where I was like: ‘I have to be able to actually do that. We have to have at least one shot where I actually did it.’ I did manage to get it eventually. I think I was the only actor that did it [laughs].

What was the physical preparation like for you for the film?
I go to the gym a good amount to try and stay in shape and it’s funny because I’m not somebody that a lot of people expect that goes to the gym. So anytime anyone sees me there, they’re like ‘Is this for a part?’ And I kindly respond, ‘No, I do it all the time,’ with a laugh. So for this role, there wasn’t a huge amount of physical preparation, but for this movie it was more preparing for the physical space you’re in. The stresses for this shoot were more mundane and time-based. We have a huge amount of story to tell and not a lot of time to do it, and the construct of the story is very detailed with the escape. So physically, it was more about coming in every day and knowing you have to be absolutely on point with your lines and your movements and being ready to go very, very fast. Francis [Annan], the director, was phenomenal under that pressure.

What was it like working with this director and cast?
Working with Ian Hart, Dan Weber and Mark Winter, they’re just fantastic actors and great teammates to work with. I think everybody understood the rate we were going to be going. It’s always a strange thing when you come in and know you have a 24-day shoot and six days to rehearse before that, and then you have to develop a lifelong friendship with someone in that time. It’s only hard if you have someone who is resistant to that, and in this film, there was nothing like that. Everyone was on the same page and ready to work hard and it made it really easy and fun. Ian and Dan and Mark Winter’s performances were fantastic and I was very lucky to be working with them and this director as well.

You also got to work again with Ian Hart, who you starred with in the first Harry Potter film. What’s it like connecting again after all these years?
It was really cool. I’m starting to have these experiences more and more, which is both exciting and terrifying because it means it’s a yardstick meaning I’m getting older. But it’s also lovely because I’ve worked with people now that I’ve worked with 20 years ago on Harry Potter, like Ian who was in the first one with me, and it’s exciting to connect again. In the play that I was most recently doing, I worked with an actor Carl Johnson, who I was on set with maybe my first or second day ever on an acting set back when I did David Copperfield on the BBC before Potter. I was maybe nine or 10, and now I’m 30 and it’s 21 years later and I’m working with him again. It’s a really nice thing.

Did you keep anything from the Harry Potter set while filming the series?
Working on those seven movies was such a great experience for me, I made lifelong friends. I actually have got two sets of the glasses, those iconic Harry Potter specs. I’ve got a set from the first film and a set from the last film, because they are sort of a visual of how much I grew [laughs]. I’ve got them, but they are not in my house, they are in a locked box somewhere.

Did you learn anything during making this film that surprised you about what Tim and the characters really went through?
One thing that I found super interesting was that Tim said one of the reasons the escape was made possible was that the guards were really stupid [laughs]. It wasn’t just that, I mean Tim is a genius, but having the guards kind of mess things up a little helps too. But along with that, the thing that I found the most profound and surprising is that the event even happened at all. It gives me hope that guys like Tim and Steven Lee and Dennis Goldberg and all the other characters that were based on real people even existed. Because it isn’t like one day you just wake up and realize you’re going to fight back as they did. What I mean is, we all like to think that if we were raised in a society that was oppressive that we would have the moral compass that would tell us it’s oppressive and we wouldn’t tolerate it. But the sad reality is that most people do—but these guys didn’t. And even they will say that they can’t tell you particularly tell you why they didn’t and not others. But they were able to see the situation from the outside, see it as immoral and inhumane as it was. And it gives me hope that people can do that.


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